527: Ulrich "The Mole" Larsen | Undercover in North Korea Part One

Tourism Power

The dynamics of tourism in North Korea reveal a complex interplay of power and control. Jordan Harbinger and Ulrich Larsen discuss the role of Alejandro Cao de Benós, a tour guide who wields significant influence over foreign tourists. Alejandro, despite being a non-entity in Spain, assumes a position of authority in North Korea, where he is seen as a key figure among international tourists 1. Ulrich shares his experiences of being accepted by North Korean officials, highlighting how foreigners can gain favor through strategic interactions and symbolic gestures like receiving medals 2. This acceptance allowed him to navigate the country with a degree of freedom, even when carrying sensitive equipment 3.

Alejandro is a nobody in Spain... but when he is in North Korea, he's the cool foreign guy that is the chief of all of the international tourists.

--- Jordan Harbinger

These interactions underscore the unique and often surreal nature of foreign tourism in North Korea.

   

Diplomatic Risks

Diplomatic tensions surrounding North Korea extend beyond its borders, affecting international relations and personal safety. Ulrich recounts being followed by police in Madrid, possibly due to his associations with the Korean Friendship Association, highlighting the scrutiny faced by those involved with North Korea 4. He also discusses the potential risks of sharing his story publicly, noting the precautions taken during his speaking engagements to ensure his safety 5. Despite these challenges, Ulrich's calm demeanor and networking skills have been crucial in navigating these tense situations 6.

I have two in Denmark, and everybody knows what town I'm going to, but they don't know the venue.

--- Ulrich Larsen

These experiences illustrate the broader geopolitical implications of engaging with North Korea.