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Published Oct 20, 2022

740: Ryan Holiday | Discipline is Destiny (Live from Los Angeles)

Ryan Holiday delves into Stoic principles, ego management, and the creative process, offering insights on embracing obstacles, reducing ego for meaningful work, and maintaining discipline in a distracting world to achieve fulfillment.
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  • Recognizing Ego

    and explore the uncomfortable irony of ego in creative professions. Ryan shares how achieving recognition can lead to unexpected discomfort, as the desire for validation often clashes with the reality of receiving it 1. They discuss the lies we tell ourselves to justify our actions, especially in morally ambiguous situations, and how ego can cloud our judgment 2.

    Ego is this thing I found that gets between you and the thing that you want to do, gets in between you and other people, gets in between you and reality.

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    Jordan adds that while he appreciates the impact of his work, he recognizes the emotional pitfalls of seeking external validation.

       

    Reducing Ego

    The conversation shifts to strategies for reducing ego, emphasizing the importance of continual self-awareness. Ryan explains that claiming to be ego-free is itself an egotistical thought, highlighting the need for constant vigilance 3. They also touch on the challenges of maintaining authenticity in the public eye, especially when faced with criticism and expectations 4.

    The second you think you have done it is like the most egotistical thought you have. The second you go, I am ego-free, ego has reintroduced itself.

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    Jordan and Ryan agree that true success involves staying grounded and true to one's beliefs, despite external pressures.

       

    Ego in Creativity

    Managing ego in the creative process is crucial for meaningful work. Ryan emphasizes cultivating a relationship with the work itself rather than its outcomes, drawing on the Bhagavad Gita's wisdom 5. He argues that insatiability can drive great achievements but also lead to personal misery if not managed properly 6.

    You want to cultivate a relationship with the work, or at least what I try to do is — like, I have this book coming out in September and like I want it to be a success.

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    Jordan notes that understanding this balance can help individuals achieve greatness without compromising their well-being.

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